The Koch Brothers did not give any money to Donald Trump during his run for president. But that doesn’t mean the powerful billionaire brothers aren’t influencing the president-elect, says the New Yorker’s Jane Mayer. For your weekend listening: Diane talks with Mayer about how David and Charles Koch may play a role in shaping the Trump administration.

Read Jane Mayer’s November 21st story from The New Yorker, “The Dark-Money Cabinet”: www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/11/21/aftermath-sixteen-writers-on-trumps-america#mayer