Journalist Thomas DeFrank spent more than three decades having candid, off-the-record conversations with Gerald Ford. The only proviso was that DeFrank could not report on what was said until after Ford’s death. DeFrank reports on Ford’s real feelings about pardoning Richard Nixon, his anger at Ronald Reagan for challenging him in 1976, and what he thought about the all of the presidents that followed him.

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  • Thomas DeFrank Washington bureau chief for the "New York Daily News" and coauthor of "Bare Knuckles and Back Rooms," "The Politics of Diplomacy," and "Quest for the Presidency 1992"

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